Glendale Sign Change -- UPDATE
After publishing my previous blog and sending an e-mail notice to the residents of Glendale about our plan to remove the "Glendale" sign I received several concerned e-mails about this plan urging us to reconsider.
Several folks had the impression that we were going to denude the entire corner -- including the remoal of the conifers. No, that wasn't in our plan. We just wanted to clear the corner enough to improve driver visibility to on-coming cars on N'Valley Dr.
I had done a spot check yesterday with what I took as support for our plan but I didn't have an opportunity to touch base with all of the concerned parties and so I asked Mr Kramer to hold off on any action until we could look at the problem again.
We spent a couple of hours this afternoon looking at the area again and this time with Craig Springer who was one of the parties who brought this concern to our attention. Thanks, Craig for spending time with us.
The alternative of changing stop signs to place them on N'Valley instead of Rocky Creek has merit in addressing the "Glendale" sign visibility concern as this would force cars to stop at the offending corner, eliminating the need to remove the sign.
This alternative, however, creates another visibility concern looking from N'Valley facing south to on-coming traffic from the curve on Rocky Creek. A big clump of trees now are in the way. Should we remove them?
Unwarrented 4-way stop signs present numerous hazards and side effects that are spelled out in a study we can provide to you on request. Doing a 4-way stop is very much against engineering judgement and recommended procedure.
I very much liked changing the stop sign location and thought that there would be ample justification because of the school bus and city bus stop but once again I was shown to be wrong because studies across the country have shown this too, in fact, causes more danger to pedestrians mainly because they assume safety with the stop sign when actual experience shows that this assumption leads them into dangerous proximity to oncoming traffic. Can't seem to win no matter what we do.
We're still thinking about this. In the process we realized that the existing signage and plantings are likely in violation of the city's long standing corner visibiilty ordinance. We're checking into the details but may now be forced to consider removal or relocation of the sign as the only responsible course of action now that we've been made aware of the potential danger.
Seems to me to be a perfect project for the Glendale NA to help us tackle -- where might the sign be moved to and who wants to help do this?
Several folks had the impression that we were going to denude the entire corner -- including the remoal of the conifers. No, that wasn't in our plan. We just wanted to clear the corner enough to improve driver visibility to on-coming cars on N'Valley Dr.
I had done a spot check yesterday with what I took as support for our plan but I didn't have an opportunity to touch base with all of the concerned parties and so I asked Mr Kramer to hold off on any action until we could look at the problem again.
We spent a couple of hours this afternoon looking at the area again and this time with Craig Springer who was one of the parties who brought this concern to our attention. Thanks, Craig for spending time with us.
The alternative of changing stop signs to place them on N'Valley instead of Rocky Creek has merit in addressing the "Glendale" sign visibility concern as this would force cars to stop at the offending corner, eliminating the need to remove the sign.
This alternative, however, creates another visibility concern looking from N'Valley facing south to on-coming traffic from the curve on Rocky Creek. A big clump of trees now are in the way. Should we remove them?
Unwarrented 4-way stop signs present numerous hazards and side effects that are spelled out in a study we can provide to you on request. Doing a 4-way stop is very much against engineering judgement and recommended procedure.
I very much liked changing the stop sign location and thought that there would be ample justification because of the school bus and city bus stop but once again I was shown to be wrong because studies across the country have shown this too, in fact, causes more danger to pedestrians mainly because they assume safety with the stop sign when actual experience shows that this assumption leads them into dangerous proximity to oncoming traffic. Can't seem to win no matter what we do.
We're still thinking about this. In the process we realized that the existing signage and plantings are likely in violation of the city's long standing corner visibiilty ordinance. We're checking into the details but may now be forced to consider removal or relocation of the sign as the only responsible course of action now that we've been made aware of the potential danger.
Seems to me to be a perfect project for the Glendale NA to help us tackle -- where might the sign be moved to and who wants to help do this?
posted by Bob Nowicki | 5:45 PM
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